I should add that I de-pinned the cc3d and removed the red lead from the esc, I soldered the ground wire from the escs to the grounds on the pdb, and solders the signal wire to the signal pinholes on the cc3d and then soldered an active and ground wire from the 5v on the pdb to a + and ground hole on the cc3d... I have build quads like this before and it works well and keeps weight down. as I said, everything works. vehicle setup was pefect and was the transmitter setup.. everything was saved and happy ... transmitter controlled the quad no problem ...but only when the usb is plugged in. even when I arm the quad with out the usb in, I get the rapid blue flashing led on the cc3d, but nothing else.. no response at all ... so strange ... appreciate any ideas, suggestions or advise ...cheers