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Users => Vehicles - MultiRotors => Topic started by: A8 on February 12, 2017, 04:58:51 pm

Title: Auto level mode?!!!
Post by: A8 on February 12, 2017, 04:58:51 pm
An important question !!!

What is Auto level mode ?  Rate   Ratetrainer  Attitude  Axislock  or Weakleveling?!!!

I need to give when I stick the bird Automatic Level.
Title: Re: Auto level mode?!!!
Post by: f5soh on February 12, 2017, 05:11:40 pm
Attitude ?

https://librepilot.atlassian.net/wiki/display/LPDOC/Input+Configuration#InputConfiguration-StabilizationModesConfiguration

https://librepilot.atlassian.net/wiki/display/LPDOC/Attitude+Setup
Title: Re: Auto level mode?!!!
Post by: A8 on February 13, 2017, 09:41:02 am
I set Attitude but Quad drift on Hover!!!!
Stick in elevator and aileron is very weak or dead!!!

What is setting in picture for better stability?
Title: Re: Auto level mode?!!!
Post by: A8 on February 13, 2017, 09:41:43 am
Attitude ?

https://librepilot.atlassian.net/wiki/display/LPDOC/Input+Configuration#InputConfiguration-StabilizationModesConfiguration

https://librepilot.atlassian.net/wiki/display/LPDOC/Attitude+Setup

What is Ratetriner ?
Title: Re: Auto level mode?!!!
Post by: f5soh on February 13, 2017, 10:20:31 am
What is Ratetriner ?

Same link for explanation : https://librepilot.atlassian.net/wiki/display/LPDOC/Input+Configuration#InputConfiguration-StabilizationModesConfiguration

You can also find the Ratetrainer page and others here :
https://librepilot.atlassian.net/wiki/display/LPDOC/Advanced+tuning

Drift can be due to a wrong level settings or simply PID that need to be adjusted.

For basic / primary flight modes, complementary is fine.
Title: Re: Auto level mode?!!!
Post by: A8 on February 13, 2017, 03:28:21 pm
What is Ratetriner ?

Same link for explanation : https://librepilot.atlassian.net/wiki/display/LPDOC/Input+Configuration#InputConfiguration-StabilizationModesConfiguration

You can also find the Ratetrainer page and others here :
https://librepilot.atlassian.net/wiki/display/LPDOC/Advanced+tuning

Drift can be due to a wrong level settings or simply PID that need to be adjusted.

For basic / primary flight modes, complementary is fine.

I read all and set but auto level not work!!!

What is magnetometer setting?
Title: Re: Auto level mode?!!!
Post by: f5soh on February 13, 2017, 03:40:13 pm
There is no need Magnetometer for Complementary + Attitude stabilization
Title: Re: Auto level mode?!!!
Post by: A8 on February 13, 2017, 04:21:18 pm
There is no need Magnetometer for Complementary + Attitude stabilization

This is my setting that auto level not work:

Title: Re: Auto level mode?!!!
Post by: A8 on February 13, 2017, 04:25:05 pm
Set up file :
Title: Re: Auto level mode?!!!
Post by: f5soh on February 13, 2017, 06:29:12 pm
Are you sure you select the flightmode position 2 ?

Your PID settings are really strange, Yaw should not be the same as Roll/Pitch
Attitude P (outer loop) is pretty high.

(https://forum.librepilot.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3084.0;attach=5330)

Where did you find this settings ? Try default, clicking "Default" button.
In your screenshot number appears strangely, is this chinese numbers ?

Title: Re: Auto level mode?!!!
Post by: A8 on February 13, 2017, 08:31:26 pm

My Quad is 130mm 1306  kv4000 motor , it be very loose in default setting!!!

I increase PID until fly is stable but axis not to return to level!!!!!

I think is missing from informed regulatory!!!!! :-[
Title: Re: Auto level mode?!!!
Post by: f5soh on February 13, 2017, 08:50:20 pm
Here is the PID i have for a similar setup and 1104-400kv / 130 quad.
Not extremely optimized because i use 2S and 3S battery.

(https://forum.librepilot.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3084.0;attach=5336)

Accelerometers can be affected by vibrations and report a wrong attitude.
You can test statically applying Throttle, maintaining firmly on desk and looking at PFD behavior.
Title: Re: Auto level mode?!!!
Post by: f5soh on February 14, 2017, 10:12:37 am

- Vibrations / test on desk how react the attitude / PFD.
- Adjust PID, use easyTune / AutoTune
- Reduce Attitude P (outer loop) to default.
- Double check you really use Attitude stab and not using other you configured (Axislock / RateTrainer)


Title: Re: Auto level mode?!!!
Post by: A8 on February 14, 2017, 11:25:41 am

Thank to F5soh , the final setup:

Title: Re: Auto level mode?!!!
Post by: f5soh on February 14, 2017, 11:35:54 am
You should avoid the "Always armed" setting
Adjust your neutrals in Output tab : move the slider to the value where the motor just start using the "Test outputs" option.


No need to quote a message just posted previously.
Title: Re: Auto level mode?!!!
Post by: A8 on February 14, 2017, 12:41:59 pm
Is the battery wires near the antenna problems?

Title: Re: Auto level mode?!!!
Post by: Mateusz on February 14, 2017, 05:03:55 pm
When there is something wrong with your settings, safety checks prevent arming. Setting always armed  is bypassing safety checks. You should revert back to not using "always armed" and fix problems that prevent from arming. These safety checks are there for a reason. Check your system health are all fields always green ?
Title: Re: Auto level mode?!!!
Post by: A8 on February 14, 2017, 07:20:33 pm
Is the battery wires near the antenna problems?

?
Title: Re: Auto level mode?!!!
Post by: f5soh on February 14, 2017, 07:32:06 pm
Is the battery wires near the antenna problems?

No

Did you mount the propellers with the marking facing up ?
Title: Re: Auto level mode?!!!
Post by: TheOtherCliff on February 14, 2017, 08:25:04 pm
Some confusion.  :)

Attitude mode is the most common "auto level" mode.
Props MUST be balanced or it can cause it to go crazy.
Without running a GPS, it will always drift, at least to blow down wind and a little random on top of that.  That is the best you can hope for.  Like a car, you must constantly correct it to keep it on the road.
You must have it flying well before adding a GPS.
Your new quad is like a car that is built, but front end is not yet factory aligned.  You must adjust Attitude -> RotateVirtual to align it to minimize the drift.  Search forum for "rotate virtual".  :)
Title: Re: Auto level mode?!!!
Post by: A8 on February 22, 2017, 07:06:47 pm
Is the battery wires near the antenna problems?

No

Did you mount the propellers with the marking facing up ?

Yes propellers marking facing up .
The build quality is very effective Prop and balance in flight.
Now I us DALPROP 3blad T3045
Title: Re: Auto level mode?!!!
Post by: A8 on February 22, 2017, 07:13:35 pm
This is my Quad  :)
Title: Re: Auto level mode?!!!
Post by: A8 on February 26, 2017, 08:07:56 pm
Suggest Balancing propeller 3 inches?  ???
Title: Re: Auto level mode?!!!
Post by: A8 on February 27, 2017, 07:02:16 pm
Who does not comment on balancing the motor and propeller?
Title: Re: Auto level mode?!!!
Post by: TheOtherCliff on March 02, 2017, 02:59:32 am
Get a magnetic (suspension) balancer.  Be aware that even the balancers are a little out of balance.  I balance, and then rotate prop on balancer shaft about 180 degrees and make sure it is still balanced.  "Split the difference" so that it thinks one blade is a tiny bit heavier, then you rotate and it thinks the other is a tiny big heavier.  That is the best you can do.

Is that what you were asking about?  :)
Title: Re: Auto level mode?!!!
Post by: A8 on March 10, 2017, 07:09:08 am
What to us other Flight mode by other channels in radio?  ???

My Flight mode switch is 3position but I need 5positions.

I need set return to base by a channel.
Title: Re: Auto level mode?!!!
Post by: TheOtherCliff on March 10, 2017, 04:29:59 pm
Most modern radios allow you to set up multiple switches to a single channel.  That is the official way to do it.
Another way is with a knob instead of a switch.
There are also some switch kits for some transmitters, to add a rotary switch that has many positions.

Be careful if you do the following, there is a delay with turning on a transmitter and probably some switch position safeguards in the transmitter setup:  Add an FMS position:  Then configure RC failsafe to move the FMS position farther than you can with the actual switch, then just turn off the transmitter.  You can also set FC failsafe to FMS position for RTB that is not reachable with transmitter on and switch transmitter off.
Title: Re: Auto level mode?!!!
Post by: A8 on March 10, 2017, 08:41:53 pm
Most modern radios allow you to set up multiple switches to a single channel.  That is the official way to do it.
...

It not good more than 3 position on one switch!!!

I need other flight mode by any channel and switch example auto landing crocus lock home lock & ...
Title: Re: Auto level mode?!!!
Post by: TheOtherCliff on March 11, 2017, 02:16:35 am
Some modern radios allow you to "combine" a 2 position switch and a 3 position switch to get the effect of a 6 position switch.
Title: Re: Auto level mode?!!!
Post by: A8 on March 12, 2017, 09:35:21 am
Some modern radios allow you to "combine" a 2 position switch and a 3 position switch to get the effect of a 6 position switch.

What not to set up other channel for other flight modes ?

What other channels on the controller used?

Is this a weak software?
Title: Re: Auto level mode?!!!
Post by: A8 on March 13, 2017, 07:54:11 am
Some modern radios allow you to "combine" a 2 position switch and a 3 position switch to get the effect of a 6 position switch.

Any controller has a channel mapping for controls . Combine :(!!!!